DS101 Tumbleweed Telegram #004 "That Wee Boagie"

[Nikhilmao]

Posted August 2, 2020


THE "P" FILES
Tumbleweed Telegram #04
First Aired: 4th & 6th October 2018

This is an investigation thread an' is reserved fir detective work only so nae: off topic posts, one word answers, Judas's

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Tae think it oanly takes wan wee nugget o' information tae git this snaw baw rolling,

Like that wee boagie thit's been under yer nose fir months,

And plot out where the great shoot oot in the cauld takes place

Mair High Midnight than High Noon

Yee Haar!!

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Ye didnae stay strong

Ye didnae stay whae me

Ma right tae reserve judgement

Ma right tae tak' thi faw

Ma beautiful dream died in the snaw

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Monday, August 9th - Saturday August 14th

"That Wee Boagie" - Telegram #004

We will be highlighting 6 active cases this week.

Each member is encouraged to join in on the active investigation

The best place to start is with the riddle itself; What's your interpretation?

The Apostle's fieldwork has been catalogued and hyperlinked above for your scrutiny.

Good luck, investigators

Let's solve this case!

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Unlike Viddle's (video-riddles for ye-who-huvnae-yet-been-initiated) that rely mostly on audio & visuals, gonnaenodaethat uses his own words to paint pictures in "Tumbleweed Telegram cases".

As of this writing, the TRUTH has evaded this particular case... This 2 part Telegram "That Wee Boagie" first appeared in a RDR2 mapping thread. One investigator noted that: These telegrams are replies to people trying to decipher the leaked map and plot them to things from officially released info. Since the full map wasn't released at that point and the leaked map was the only reference, perhaps Preacher was hinting at where to look on the leaked map? A lot of stuff was moved around in the final version of it.

Part 1 was in response to posters accurately locating "North" on the leaked / reconstructed map:

        now you guys can line up the special edition map

        Tae think it oanly takes wan wee nugget o' information tae git this snaw baw rolling,
        Like that wee boagie thit's been under yer nose fir months,
        And plot out where the great shoot oot in the cauld takes place
        Mair High Midnight than High Noon
        Yee Haar!!



Part 2 was in response to this exchange:

        Also, do we have ANY clue on the Sisika Penitentiary? That island is siting there taunting me at this point.

        Well...there are convicts, escaped and otherwise. There are chain gangs. So they're being penned SOMEwhere. Whether or not it's Sisika, whether or not that's the be-all end-all of prisons, like Bolingbroke, I dunno. But I'm         still considering there's clues that it's actually an Indian reservation, not a working prison. Around that era, the US used to ship Indian "hostiles" to POW camps in Florida, far east of their tribal homes. And Sisika is the name         for the Blackfoot tribe of Montana. So Sisika Island might be a rez.

        Ye didnae stay strong
        Ye didnae stay whae me
        Ma right tae reserve judgement
        Ma right tae tak' thi faw
        Ma beautiful dream died in the snaw

[evelpod666]

To Note:

Luigi had an application that the telegram was hinting at the mission Old Friends in RDRII.


The Preacher called this a half Truth

[xNoSuch]

Maybe we can analyze this mission to find other half of the TRUTH:


I noticed the word FALL was mentioned in the mission by MICAH.
Seems like a "foreshadow" of some sort.

I want to see some participation, any ideas would be great! 

[Luigi]

the Application we got half truth on tlfsgtafarchive.great-site.net/CO9/topic/971856-fti-discussion-19521-that-wee-boagie-by-luigi1798/?i=1

[Luigi]

I haven't been able to do much but retread old theories, theres 2 halves of this riddle, one half is solved , "Old Friends" seems to be part 1.

Was the solution as simple as American Venom? the mission foreshadowed by the wee boagie smoking lenny when he says to micah "when you fall there will be a party".
Old friends has you pass through Mount Hagen where the final shootout takes place. But we suggested as much way back then.

The other theory was since part 2 is in response to a comment on sisika, perhaps it centres on John and Dutch somehow as John takes the fall for the gang and ends up there.

In the end credits, it's revealed that Edgar Ross found John due to Micah's body. This is proven by Ross investigating the body and then spying on Beecher's Hope. This also creates a cruel irony that if John had "not looked back" like Arthur told him to before his death, the events of "Red Dead Redemption" wouldn't have happened, and John would've never been shot and killed in "The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed".

One nugget of info snawballing. 

Though the preacher never spoils, so american venom may be off limits.

Theres also Enter, Pursued by a memory. 

find him ( JOHN) up in the mountains, badly injured and his horse killed. He revealed that he had gotten lost a day or so prior, ending up on a cliff near the peak of a mountain after being attacked by wolves that badly lacerated his right cheek and nose, giving him his signature scars. They proceed to bring him back to safety

So john 

Didnae stay strong 



Didnae stay with me








Ma beautiful dream died in the snaw



(and maybe a little at a stretch the scars on johns face killing his beauty or something) 

Thats where im at as of this evening picking this case back up. I must say its fun to be on the red dead wiki again. I do wonder why this case and why right now. 

big old capital SOMEwhere in that pic is something

I also need to revise a bit, I know previously i said these telegrams matched missions but id like to revisit each one and how we found its connection. Due time. 

EDIT:
Revision is key as always


back to thinking about whats missing. Im digging into the archives to find other telegrams. 

[Luigi]

Tae think it oanly takes wan wee nugget o' information tae git this snaw baw rolling,
Like that wee boagie thit's been under yer nose fir months,
And plot out where the great shoot oot in the cauld takes place
Mair High Midnight than High Noon
Yee Haar!!

OLD FRIENDS

This mission unlocks Dead Eye Targeting.

-> Small nugget of information snowballs into the events of the larger game (the train robbery "plans")

-> A great shootout in the cold

-> High Midnight, It's scripted to transition to dark by the time you return/Themes of revenge ala the movie and the setting not being western influenced

Ye didnae stay strong
Ye didnae stay whae me
Ma right tae reserve judgement
Ma right tae tak' thi faw
Ma beautiful dream died in the snaw

In response to the user considering clues about Sisika being an Indian reservation:

But I'm still considering there's clues that it's actually an Indian reservation, not a working prison. Around that era, the US used to ship Indian "hostiles" to POW camps in Florida, far east of their tribal homes. And Sisika is the name for the Blackfoot tribe of Montana. So Sisika Island might be a rez.

We know Sisika is not an Indian reservation, and there is only one in the game Wapiti. I could not find anything linking Wapiti to a mission in the snow or to "Old Friends". However, there is one theory that pulls the Native American thread.

THE AFTERMATH OF GENESIS. (I couldn't find a previous case linked to this with a few quick searches of the forum. PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong).

First things first, the speech "Stay Strong, Stay with me" appeared in media prior to the game's release. We didn't know then that it was literally the start of the game, THE GENESIS.
So after that speech, what happens? The player has a choice... OLD FRIENDS or THE AFTERMATH OF GENESIS.

THE AFTERMATH OF GENESIS VIA RDR2 WIKI

This mission unlocks Eagle Eye.

With the gang low on supplies and starving, Mr. Pearson sends Arthur and Charles out hunting.

Bit about ol' Charlie at the start of the game:

Born to an African American father and a Native American mother, Charles Smith became one of the most recent additions to the Van der Linde gang, joining roughly 6-7 months before the events of the game

After the failed ferry robbery in Blackwater, Charles regroups with the gang in the mountains after finding their horses and lends his horse, Taima, to Arthur, while giving Dutch his own. Although Charles says that he can stay outside and do more, Dutch tells him to go inside with the others and rest his burnt hand, an injury he likely sustained during the robbery. A few days later, Arthur talks to Pearson about food, who informs him that they won't be able to live on their current supplies. Charles offers to take Arthur hunting for deer in the wilderness, where Charles teaches Arthur how to use the bow, due to his hand injury. Arthur successfully hunts down two deer, allowing him and Charles to bring them back to Pearson.

Charles didn't hear the "Stay Strong, Stay with me" speech. Not only that but...

He didn't stay strong (injury)
He didn't stay with Dutch (he ran and fled Blackwater, having to later regroup)

"Reserve judgement" might refer to an Indian reservation judgment, perhaps referencing how Charles, as a recent addition, is reserving judgment of Dutch and Micah etc. (the "my right" parts are iffy in this theory)
"my right to take the faw"

"Ma beautiful dream died in the snow" = and stick with me for this one but the positive honor gives Arthur dreams of deer. Here we hunt deer in the snow.

This would also make sense as a two-part theory, as these missions are two sides of the same coin, the Colter chapter.

Id like to bounce this about abit and get it disproven. In the meantime ill dig deeper into wapiti.